What is the crime of loving both? I had someone tell me I was a monster thinking that.. Pfft okay, whatever.. You don't think what I'm doing is right? What are you going to do about it? I cared for animals all my life. I eat a cheese burger.. now I hate them? Lol I don't think so.
Thou I do despise how the slaughter houses treat animals.. the do it all wrong. There is a better way a butchering an animal... this way there is no pain.. the don't even know what happened. That I can understand people wanting to be Vegetarians for. But us meat eaters are not animals haters.. we love them just as much as you do. So enough judging.
You can like animals and eat meat. You can like a certain animal. I would wear fur but not wolf fur. Cause I love wolves. India doesnt serve beef. At McDonald's in india they serve lamb instead of beef
You love animals -> You still eat them
You love anything else? -> You better be okay with eating that too
Lets apply this logic into some other things in life:
You love animals -> Bugs are animals
Bug is destroying your house and eventually if you do not stop the bug, the house will be destroyed
But hey you love animals, and you still kill the bug for what they did, to make sure your family still has a home
You get a child -> You love that child, and you also love animals
The child starts to destroy the house -> Well you killed the bug, that is an animal, and you love animals
You love the child, but you decide to kill it to make it stop destroying the house, it is the same thing
You loved both, but killed both.
Flawless perfect logic. XDDDDDD Just amazing.
Okay lets try something a little less dramatic with this same logic:
You love plants -> You still walk on grass
You love your mother -> It must be okay to walk on your mother too, since you love her too, just like you love the plants you walk on
It's not like there is anything different in there. And you dare to claim that you love plants when you walk on them. How dare you. XD
Hey what about the love for your significant other?
You love your husband/wife/girlfriend/boyfriend right -> But you have sex with them
But you also love your pets -> Well why not just have sex with everything you love, since you love them all
I mean it's the same thing, you love both things, so what ever you do to the other thing is the exactly same as if you did it to the other right? "Just pure logic." How dare you claim you love your pets when you do not have sex with them. Or how dare you claim you love animals when you eat them, yet you say you love your family and do not eat them.
Could it be... That the love you have for the different things is different? BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE WORD, LOVE IS LOVE, I AM SURE I AM JUST IMAGINING THIS.
Ah firstly, I never stated that ‘I’ love animals, the individual who made this stamp did, I was simply saying love was too stronger word. Though yes I do care greatly about animals and personally do not eat them, because they are intelligent, understand and feel pain, so to cause something you love to suffer seems rather cruel and illogical.
As for the bugs destroying your house, firstly there are many arguments about weather or not insects can even feel pain or understand it. If animals destroyed your house/put your life in danger then killing can be argued, just as if a human being did so, if some guy marched into your home in the middle of the night and tried to destroy it and you stabbed him, I wouldn’t say you were wrong, well to the next extreme if your husband/wife tried to kill you and you killed them first I would hardly say you were wrong. But eating meet is not so necessary because in our dear society’s there are other options, so as an ‘animal’ lover, eating animals and causing them to suffer seems somewhat illogical.As for grass, really? Well, few people love grass that passionately, and grass cannot feel pain thankfully, so that’s that.
As for having sex with animals, well that would cause pain to the animal and make me question your mental health. And I feel sex has nothing to do with ‘love’, sex is just are lust and pleasure really. If somebody loved children, I desperately hope that they would not have sex with them. So that isn’t really up for debate.
And please don’t just use so many of capitals to make your argument seem big…it really isn’t necessary. : )Bottom line is, if you are willing to eat meet and cause animals pain and suffering to animals, then you cannot claim to love animals, like them sure, enjoy spending time with them yes, but I don’t think ‘love’. Just ask yourself why you eat meet, honestly, we are not cave men that know no other foods or something, we’re relatively smart and can eat other delicious stuff, so why eat something that can feel and understand pain?
(Also I am little sorry, I can not help myself, it's "meat" not "meet", I know this is a little irrelevant but still. DX)
Ah well your comment never said your real point, which was "I think the word 'love' is too strong" maybe next time include that in there.
Using the word "love" has become a cultural thing, much like using words "literally" and "for real", it doesn't necessarily mean what is said.
Just normal development of language and its usage in normal everyday culture.
About bugs not really fitting the category, I was just taking a hold of the generalization of the word "animal" since your comment was about "animals" in generally not specifically "only animals that feel pain and are able to understand it".
So your argument wasn't really about the word "love" at all? It was just about feeling the pain and understanding it? Since in your argument the word "love" seemed to be a great part of the whole issue. "You love animals -> You eat them = You love your family -> You eat them"
Sex is a natural thing in our "survival" just like "eating" is. It's the same with all of us animals. Again the focus was merely in the logic behind your statement "You love your partner -> You still have sex with them because it causes them no pain = You love your pets -> You could as well have sex with them if it causes them no pain" ?
If we really want to go analysig the word "love" what does it mean to you then? For me it means "Strong attraction between things, that is emotional and mental, also causing physical results in the brain." and I think it is very possible to love a pet dog (= animal), and eat an unknown cow (=animal) because of the basic human brain function and ability to recognize individuals. For me stating that this is impossible is just... I can not understand why it would be?
I think my comment was clear on that, and I quote ‘Love is far too stronger word.’
Yes, the word love is tossed around lightly these days, but the use here seemed to be somewhat strong, or at least the responses I’ve had were, so clearly people feel pretty passionately about the fact that they ‘love’ animals and yet can kill and eat them.
No I did not specifically say animals that could feel pain, not that I though I would need to, that is like involving plants in my short comment, I didn’t intend on writing an easy for people, just my humble opinion.
I think the sex argument was simply you being very literal, which is fair enough, but not really going to get that far. My point still holds that if you truly ‘love’ (love being used in a strong way here) animals, you would not contribute to their suffering and eat them.Yes, I think it does depend on how you define love as a word, it is probably possible to love your dog and eat a cow, but that would not be loving animals, that would be loving some animals, which still seems rather silly, I mean somebody wouldn’t love their teenage daughter, and then go and kill teenage girls…then in saying that it could happen, maybe people love one animal, not animals as a whole though, which was really my original point, so I hold to what I said.
That is also a natural way of communication for me, if it seemed like I was pushing the meaning, yeah that was the point. To underline the thing I was saying, cause it was so absurd for me. Self expression, just like talking about this matter. It was not intended as aggression towards you if that made you feel like it.
Nah, including 'plants' into 'animals' is not the same thing at all. I mean... WHAT. XDDDD Where is the logic in that? It's two entirely different groups and words, and should not be considered in similar matter at all. XD But taking the word "animals" and the meaning behind it literally and as a whole is quite logical don't you think? Specially since you take the word "love" so seriously and thinking it has only one meaning, I thought you took the word "animal" as seriously too, specially since you seem to feel so strongly about the matter. So yes, I stand behind my words, and no, you do not need /should not need to specify "everything you did not mean", but it would be helpful in understanding what you mean if you are very specific with what you actually mean.
Well in your original statement, it sounds like you think that people absolutely can not love animals (= any animal, including and not limited to any specific species/ type of thing that falls under that category) if they eat any animal, which I think, simply put, is not true to the least. XD Mostly because animals as a whole is such a huge and diversity group of different species and beings and because human brain really does have the capability to recognize and create strong emotional attachments to individuals.
Ah, you think it's silly/weird to love some animals, but not all of them?
Again, lets go back to the original meaning of the word 'love' and 'animal', and what I mean with them.
Animal = any creature labeled under the group of animals, including humans, bugs, birds, fishes etc.
Love = Strong emotional attraction towards something.
So I am just trying to understand you, what exactly in there is silly/weird or highly unlikely in loving a pet dog, and eating an unknown cow?
Because of the meaning of the word "love" that I stated above, and the meaning behind the word "animal" I think, a scenario where you love an animal, but eat an animal is very possible. XDDDD
You still haven't clarified what you mean with the word "love", maybe that will clear up this barrier of misunderstanding the matter?
The thing stopping you from killing is not always only individual attraction, there is also morals / norms and even cultural/educational aspects to every person in this planet. XD
Damn right I am literal. How else would we be able to communicate if we never had any clear idea/lines what the words that we use mean? XD
Language was created as a tool of communication, and I really believe that it should be used as such.
It is interesting how you could never eat a dog, but you could eat, say a cow? May I ask what difference you see between them? I mean, they all feel pain and suffering, so why (if unnecessary) eat them. I'm not trying to argue the situation of starvation, as it is not relevant to the moment and is a whole new concept.
But I still feel, you cannot truly love an animal and eat it. For example, if you had a pet dog who you really cared for, loved and had a connection with, you probably couldn't eat him/her, why? You can still eat an animal and love them....according to this stamp anyway.... I am sorry if I sound sarcastic, but just showing my point.
You probably wouldn't eat a pet cow, but you would probably eat a cow that you do not know.
In some countries it's still legal to farm and eat dogs, yet people wouldn't eat their pets.
You wouldn't cry over 100 people who you do not know who died in a plane crash, but you would probably cry over your dad who died in a traffic accident. Human brain works that way, it recognizes individuals and creates bonds between them.
As long as the animals are not suffering in life nor death, I would be okay with raising and killing them.
The fact that so many animals live and die in agony is the part that I am not okay with.
Eating them I see as a natural thing for us, hunter gatherers.
And if you would not eat a pet cow but eat a ‘strange’ cow then you are an idiot. That’s like a serial killer saying they wouldn’t hurt their family, but they’ll happily kill a stranger. I would rather somebody eat their pet, at least they could ensure it was looked after and killed somewhat humanly.
No I would not necessarily cry on either of those occasions, but if 100 people died, I would feel sad and would never try and cause it, eating meet causes the animals death, that’s the obvious difference with these cases really…
I agree there in some ways, I mean I would rather somebody raise and kill them somewhat fairly, instead of the horrific abuse that takes place. But still, you are basically taking a life to fill your stomach with something that tastes good? We do not need to worry so heavily about nature, we have developed, nature is pretty against homosexuality, c-sections for birth along with artificial insemination, darn nature is against cures for deadly diseases in many ways, and other things our society is now for, change is nature.
No, more like my brain works like it should. Human brain is known for telling apart individuals and developing emotional attachments /feelings for individuals. Also that is not only a human thing, its quite normal for animals. So one could say, it is quite natural. XD
So your brain also seems to recognize individuals, so we share that natural trait. Then you should be able to even mildly understand why people feel this way about things they do not have emotional attachment to. It's natural to feel sad for something dying, but it's also natural not caring about it too much since you do not share a personal emotional connection to it = the difference between being sad/able to eat an unknown cow and your own pet cow.
I personally wouldn't "happily kill a cow" and even less "kill a pet cow". If you stated that you do not recognize individuals and feel differently about them could probably be considered a type of psychological/mental issue. But hey, according to some studies 1/5 of us is having some type of psychopathic tendencies, so that makes them kind of 'normal' I suppose. XD
Ah, a common misconception. Homosexuality is seen in over 420 animal species in the nature. It is very natural.
Oh yes, nature is very against overpopulation = it tries to decrease the amount of people with diseases. I even think myself that there is too many humans in this planet as of right now, but taken in consideration that the evolution/nature/what ever you want to call it is the source of us, humans, the things we do are only natural for us in a way.
And returning the stamp, do you agree that you can't kill something you 'love'? Such as the example of you having a dear pet dog.
Vegans are just plain sick, in so many ways.
And a lot of vegetarians/vegans are not 'sick'.
I hope I didn't cause offence, just giving my opinion.
But I doubt if someone makes an "I love children" stamp they will love some random kid they see walking down the street. Similarly, I doubt anyone who makes an "I love animals" stamp is going to love a random stray cat or dog they happen to see.
This stamp doesn't really have anything to do with intimacy, I am sure. When someone says they love children, they probably mean they love being around them and think they are fun. Like when I say I love animals, I mean I love to be around them, I think they are beautiful and fascinating, I think they are cute, etc.
The line drawn for humans and the line drawn for animals are at completely different levels. It is okay to kill an animal if you do it humanely and the animal isn't some endangered species or someone's pet. [ with a few exceptions, of course. ] You can use an animal for what you wish as long as the animal doesn't suffer and will live happily. While for a human, the only time it is okay to kill is for defense. It is not okay to use anyone as a slave either, and unlike animals, we have the right the choose what happens in our life. And if a life is a life, then why is it okay to eat plants? Those are living things. The reason it's okay is because there are ranks. Humans are the superior beings of the planet because of our ability to reason and are level of intelligence. Second ranked is animals. Animals are sentient and can feel pain, making them superior over plants.
but again animals eat each other too, its a natural thing.
I also don't take any supplements unless a) I'm ill, which is rare, or b) I feel that I've been eating unhealthily that day.
Here are some sources, about health + ethics:
hatchery.mercyforanimals.org/ - *graphic*
If you still feel that a vegan diet is unhealthy, how about trying to buy cruelty-free cosmetics and clothing? (: